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I have just come back from visiting the wind farm at Bicker and I can tell you categorically there is noise.
I have seen a lot of comments by various people, including the electric companies, saying that noise is no problem but if I were in my garden in today's conditions I would be aggravated to say the least.
I heard noise and I did not like it
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Noise Is there or isn't there!
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Posted 04 September 2009 - 05:34 PM
Apologies for a duplicate post but I thought it might be helpful here too..
As the said poster girl(compliment or insult?) I think I have a right to reply here! 38 windfarms currently operating wind farms are currently causing enough noise complaints to have been reported to their local Environmental Health Officers... fact. Currently 8 families in the UK have had to abandon their homes. fact. The farm on which 3 of the 8 turbines stands has indeed been highly commended by Farm Life, the Farmer is Nicholas Watts.. True. And its owner has an MBE in conservation (mainly for birds. ) Fact. His turbines also kill birds - he says so on film. Here is our very own Nicholas Watts MBE telling us so... fact.
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=-fyeUILsUI8
It is widely accepted within the industry that there are significant noise issues at our home. fact. Only last week experts giving evidence on behalf of developers at another site acknowledged this. fact.
It is increasingly acknowledged that noise planning conditions for windfarms are almost impossible to monitor, and thus enforce without a compliant Wind Farm developer.
The recent International Windturbinenoise Conference held in Copenhagen (the THIRD such Conference) bought together 25 countries and 150 delegates over 3 days to discuss - guess what - wind turbine noise and the problems it is causing.....
The main conclusions this year were that the bigger the turbines get, the less is understood about the way they react with the environment around them. The effects on human beings - sleep deprivation and health deficits are now becoming increasingly of concern. Low frequency in particular, and the intrusive characteristics of the noise are increasingly problematic.
If I only heard, at home, the noise that one hears when standing underneath a turbine, then you would never have heard of me, and I have, I can assure you many many other things I want to do with my life, and the main one is to go home!
Will, on 13 July 2009 - 03:34 PM, said:
Are you saying that the recordable noise of a working windfarm, measurable decibel levels and the experience of those who have visited, or even live next door to, windfarms is irrelevant?
Of all the windfarms currently operational in the UK, only has allegedly driven one couple out of their home. The farm on which that windfarm stands has been highly commended by Farm Life magazine as one of the most beautiful farms in England, and members of a local co-operative have bought two of the wind turbines at Deeping St Nicholas for the benefit of the community.
Perhaps it would be more sensible to question the anomaly of the Davis's experience than to damn all windfarms on the testimony of just one couple. Jane Davis has undoubtedly become the poster-girl of the anti-windfarm movement. She is also the only person who has apparently discovered a meaning for her existence by talking to any anti-windfarm group who'll listen to her. The consequence of this is that the overwhelming testimony of those who live in the vicinity of windfarms is ignored in favour of just one non-representative witness.
Of all the windfarms currently operational in the UK, only has allegedly driven one couple out of their home. The farm on which that windfarm stands has been highly commended by Farm Life magazine as one of the most beautiful farms in England, and members of a local co-operative have bought two of the wind turbines at Deeping St Nicholas for the benefit of the community.
Perhaps it would be more sensible to question the anomaly of the Davis's experience than to damn all windfarms on the testimony of just one couple. Jane Davis has undoubtedly become the poster-girl of the anti-windfarm movement. She is also the only person who has apparently discovered a meaning for her existence by talking to any anti-windfarm group who'll listen to her. The consequence of this is that the overwhelming testimony of those who live in the vicinity of windfarms is ignored in favour of just one non-representative witness.
As the said poster girl(compliment or insult?) I think I have a right to reply here! 38 windfarms currently operating wind farms are currently causing enough noise complaints to have been reported to their local Environmental Health Officers... fact. Currently 8 families in the UK have had to abandon their homes. fact. The farm on which 3 of the 8 turbines stands has indeed been highly commended by Farm Life, the Farmer is Nicholas Watts.. True. And its owner has an MBE in conservation (mainly for birds. ) Fact. His turbines also kill birds - he says so on film. Here is our very own Nicholas Watts MBE telling us so... fact.
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=-fyeUILsUI8
It is widely accepted within the industry that there are significant noise issues at our home. fact. Only last week experts giving evidence on behalf of developers at another site acknowledged this. fact.
It is increasingly acknowledged that noise planning conditions for windfarms are almost impossible to monitor, and thus enforce without a compliant Wind Farm developer.
The recent International Windturbinenoise Conference held in Copenhagen (the THIRD such Conference) bought together 25 countries and 150 delegates over 3 days to discuss - guess what - wind turbine noise and the problems it is causing.....
The main conclusions this year were that the bigger the turbines get, the less is understood about the way they react with the environment around them. The effects on human beings - sleep deprivation and health deficits are now becoming increasingly of concern. Low frequency in particular, and the intrusive characteristics of the noise are increasingly problematic.
If I only heard, at home, the noise that one hears when standing underneath a turbine, then you would never have heard of me, and I have, I can assure you many many other things I want to do with my life, and the main one is to go home!
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Posted 17 September 2009 - 07:00 AM
Jane Davis, on 10 September 2009 - 05:13 PM, said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk...day_10_09_2009/
Basically this is a good, balanced article on noise pollution from wind turbines. I would like to correct a few "mistakes" from the BWEA. If we only heard the noise you get standing underneath a turbine we wouldn't have had to move out! Turbines are tall structures. It is an accepted scientific fact that noise can propagate outwards, particularly when it has a significant low frequency component. The Independent Consultants mentioned work 99% of their time for wind farm Developers. At no point have they ever stated there are no problems with noise at our house, and indeed at Public Inquiries, in their evidence they accept that we do have a significant problem. The months of expensive equipment was actually 4 and a half weeks of poorly maintained kit, which broke down on some of the noisiest nights and was actually 3 years ago, they have been asked to return by the Local Government Ombudsman, but to date have not found the time to do so. The Salford Report has been blown apart by the Renewable Energy Foundation. Local Councils have neither the resources nor the expertise to be able to bring a Statutory Noise Case against a Wind Farm Company, nor enforce the planning conditions under the unenforceable ETSU-R-97. This is being looked into by DEFRA. People should realise that the BWEA is effectively a trade union which only represents the interests of Wind Farm Developers, and does not compare with the NFU. And remember we did not oppose the wind farm, we welcomed it, and now we are the 8th family to have had to abandon our home.
And we won a Valuation Tribunal Case (that now stands as case law) that acknowledge that the proximity of the wind farm near our home had diminished the peace and quiet that was the amenity that was our home and thus decreased its market value.
Basically this is a good, balanced article on noise pollution from wind turbines. I would like to correct a few "mistakes" from the BWEA. If we only heard the noise you get standing underneath a turbine we wouldn't have had to move out! Turbines are tall structures. It is an accepted scientific fact that noise can propagate outwards, particularly when it has a significant low frequency component. The Independent Consultants mentioned work 99% of their time for wind farm Developers. At no point have they ever stated there are no problems with noise at our house, and indeed at Public Inquiries, in their evidence they accept that we do have a significant problem. The months of expensive equipment was actually 4 and a half weeks of poorly maintained kit, which broke down on some of the noisiest nights and was actually 3 years ago, they have been asked to return by the Local Government Ombudsman, but to date have not found the time to do so. The Salford Report has been blown apart by the Renewable Energy Foundation. Local Councils have neither the resources nor the expertise to be able to bring a Statutory Noise Case against a Wind Farm Company, nor enforce the planning conditions under the unenforceable ETSU-R-97. This is being looked into by DEFRA. People should realise that the BWEA is effectively a trade union which only represents the interests of Wind Farm Developers, and does not compare with the NFU. And remember we did not oppose the wind farm, we welcomed it, and now we are the 8th family to have had to abandon our home.
And we won a Valuation Tribunal Case (that now stands as case law) that acknowledge that the proximity of the wind farm near our home had diminished the peace and quiet that was the amenity that was our home and thus decreased its market value.
Link to original topic - click here (Farming Today! NOISE POLLUTION & BWEA LIES)
Thanks for the clarification Jane.
I'm no expert, but would agree that windfarm noise cannot be judged by standing under a single turbine.
You can stand underneath a wind turbine and hold a conversation, of course you can, the noise is 125 metres up in the air and noise projects, it does not drop like a stone!
Noise carries, and on the fens it can carry a long way because there's nothing to stop it.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 03:21 PM
concerned, on 03 September 2009 - 03:49 PM, said:
I have just come back from visiting the wind farm at Bicker and I can tell you categorically there is noise.
I have seen a lot of comments by various people, including the electric companies, saying that noise is no problem but if I were in my garden in today's conditions I would be aggravated to say the least.
I heard noise and I did not like it
I have seen a lot of comments by various people, including the electric companies, saying that noise is no problem but if I were in my garden in today's conditions I would be aggravated to say the least.
I heard noise and I did not like it
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